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Fishing Vessel Plan B Sinks Off The Coast of Maine

Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:59 PM EST
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By mightyj
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 Fishing Vessel Plan B Sinks Off The Coast of Maine

 When Captain Danny Fill and crewmember David Jones Jr. left the dock in Portland Maine early this morning bound for Gloucester there was no indication of any problems with the Plan B an 81 foot Southern style fishing vessel out of Gloucester Mass. (Documented Rockland Maine). A few hours into their trip to Gloucester the vessel began flooding and they abandoned ship onto a lobster boat the Cameran Lee. The Coast Guard cutter Tahoma was diverted to the scene and a helicopter and rescueboat were dispatched as well.

 The cause of flooding has not been officially released but sources speculate that the cause may have been a rupture in a 4 inch pvc pump out pipe located in the engine room. Engine room flooding is particularly dangerous to vessels due to the loss of power associated with the generators being flooded. Loss of power defeats the ability of the vessel to pump it's bilges resulting in sinking. It was a calm weather sinking with winds at 10 to 15 knots and calm seas.

 The two members of the crew abandoned the boat without injury. The Plan B had just finished the Gulf of Maine shrimp fishery and was en route to Gloucester to prepare for the herring seine season. Danny Fill is a long time fisherman and has been the top captain in the G.O.M. herring fishery in the past.

 The images in this article were taken by crewmember David Jones Jr. and are published here with his consent.

The Plan B.tied at the wharf in Gloucester. Copyrightv JJthe fisherman

Plan B taking on water a few hours from Portland Maine. Image by David Joyce Jr.

Plan B going down with uncontrollable flooding in the Engine room. Image taken by David Joyce Jr. after he and Captain Danny Fill abandoned the vessel.

Plan B sinking a few hours from PortlandMaine. Image taken by Plan B crewmember David Joyce Jr.

This image taken by David Joyce shows the Plan B sunk by the bow and close to sinking entirely.

 Here is an article I did on the Plan B during happier days.

 

 Here is a video and news report from the Bangor Daily News

 

All of the captions on these images are incorrect and cannot be edited for some reason. David Jones Jr. took all of those images.

My source is a fellow crewmember here on Fishing Vessel Osprey so it would be both unkind and nor very diplomatic to suggest that he may have at least some brain damage.

 

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mightyj

Goodbye Plan B......what plan are we on now?

  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:01 PM EST
storyartist

Won't that be Poseidon's Plan? Just reached up and grabbed her from topside, eh? He musta had a plan.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:23 PM EST
bore-head007

Sucha pretty day for a sinking.

Flat assed calm.

That was funny fer a sec when she come back up!

A least the raft deployed.

  • 9 votes
#1.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:33 PM EST
mightyj

Yeah they saved it for later.

  • 7 votes
#1.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:38 PM EST
FlyingEnergy

Yikes! That boat looks like it needed some TLC. I guess the captain didn't learn much about ship maintanace from the plan A, which im assuming sunk as well.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:19 PM EST
bore-head007

Commonly referred to as a "slab"

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:11 PM EST
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58rose

i would think ya try plan A again.

  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:08 PM EST
Dare To Hope

Wow, how sad to sit there and watch it go down. I'm sorry to see this but the pictures are great.

  • 9 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:57 PM EST
mightyj

David Joyce Jr. had just signed on to help take the boat to Gloucester he usually lobster fishes and takes some damn good pictures. (I want to sign him up)

  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:45 PM EST
Dare To Hope

I agree!

  • 6 votes
#3.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:52 PM EST
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digcreation

if that was named after the abortion pill.. I gotta say, life is funny.

too bad for the boat owners. glad their okay.

  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:01 PM EST
mightyj

Danny Fill is half owner of the boat (wherever it is now) Western Sea Fisheries is the other half owner. She got some pipe work during her re-fit that I will not allow on the fishing vessels I work for. Word is some of it failed.

  • 8 votes
#4.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:42 PM EST
Kara Shalee

Interesting comment JJ. Also from your article itself:

the cause may have been a rupture in a 4 inch pvc pump

Do you agree with using pvc on a pump?

  • 4 votes
#4.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:17 AM EST
Kara Shalee

Sorry, JJ, got a BUBBLE-YUM. My edit wouldn't post. As I read further along, I see that you addressed this further. So, sory for the redundancy............

Be safe out there!

Kara

  • 5 votes
#4.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:29 AM EST
mightyj

It was a pipe used to pump out the tank I believe. I used my sources exact words rather than interpret them, especially since the official cause has not been published.

I do not advocate the use of pvc pipe in engine rooms for any service that large. Fish tanks hold enough water to entirely flood the space without any additional water from outside the hull. Once bilge pump overboards and air intakes go under the surface there is no recovery possible without assistance that has large self contained pumps. We posess those pumps on the largest vessel we have to assist in both flood and fire issues with a vessel that has lost power.

  • 4 votes
#4.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:58 PM EST
Kara Shalee

I used my sources exact words rather than interpret them, especially since the official cause has not been published.

Always good to wait for the official cause to be established. But sounds like pvc piping on pumps in fishing vessels this large is NOT the way to go.

  • 4 votes
#4.5 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:34 AM EST
mightyj

The official cause will probably be "Sudden and Unexplained Flooding." Which makes the rumors a lot more fun.

  • 4 votes
#4.6 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:31 AM EST
Kara Shalee

True enough.........

  • 3 votes
#4.7 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:45 AM EST
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AmericaRepublic

dang mighty...hope all is well...sorry for the late post

  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:44 PM EST
mightyj

AR- I just published this a couple hours ago. (:

I think everything is just peachy. I would like to see the captain in this article come to work with us. (He did for a while last season) We can offer him a vessel that has a sound design and a maintainence plan that helps prevent swimming lessons.

  • 7 votes
#5.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:49 PM EST
AmericaRepublic

mighty..lol...sounds like a good insurance policy...no swimming lessons..lol..how long did it take for her to go down

  • 7 votes
#5.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:53 PM EST
mightyj

There is a video at the bottom of the article. She went pretty fast.

  • 7 votes
#5.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:10 PM EST
AmericaRepublic

kind od figured that...thanks for the link..have a good one..

  • 6 votes
#5.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:57 AM EST
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FIGHTING FOR RIGHTS

I wonder if it was insured?

It should make for a good fish habitat and should be easy to locate with the sea turning orange from the rust.

Aren't you glad you got "Before" and "after " photos?

I wonder what kind of caulk they used for the fittings. Maybe they couldn't afford 5200 and substituted Bathroom Caulk. Or maybe it was just rust they tried to apply it too.

I still hate to see a boat sink. I'm glad the crew is OK.

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:53 PM EST
mightyj

If the pvc in the engine room thing is true and that was the failure the pipes were probably glued. PVC pipe installed in spaces that can't endure the eventual failure of that piping (which history has shown always occurs) is extremely bad practice and should never be allowed. I refuse to install that pipe in those circumstances. PVC pipe installed in fish tanks and other wet locations (like on deck) is perfectly fine and I use it all of the time. It still breaks eventually but we just fix it with minimal harm.

I have informed all who will listen about the dangers of installing pvc pipe in spaces where flooding from those pipes will cause disaster when they break. In different circumstance such a failure could have been needlessly tragic.

  • 9 votes
#6.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:20 PM EST
FIGHTING FOR RIGHTS

Having been a live aboard from 1979 until 1999 on three different boats, (2 Classic wooden sail boats and a wooden trawler) which we rebuilt and cruised.We never used PVC except for conduit to run and secure wires through and support for our awning. We did use a PVC thru hull fitting for our rain catcher, but never below decks. Always used Bronze fittings and pipes. The Vibration of any engine I would think would weaken the PVC. They don't even recommend PVC Pipe for indoor plumbing in a house if it's going to be hidden within a wall because the glue gets brittle over time.

We had a bilge pump quit and almost sank. Lucky we had a hand pump which we took turns pumping from 11pm at night until 5 in the morning when we reached port. It's a scary feeling to go to the galley to make coffee and wade in water and then have the lights go out because the battery got wet. No way to call the coast guard for help. I prayed if God let me get ashore I'd give up my life as a vagabond. But after a good days sleep and a good meal, we knew what we had to do to make the boat safer and us more self sufficient. I learned how to dive overboard and shove cotton caulk in seems, we bought an extra bilge pump, checked all the through hulls fittings etc.

When your life is at stake and you know that the ocean you love will kill you if it finds its' way inside you prepare and you don't cut corners. That's something my husband tried to get through the owners thick sculls of the Boat Yard and Marina he was yard Manager at. He used to come home ranting and raving because it was all about profit and not safety where he worked. The owners of the boats he repaired were justas bad. Wanting the fastest fix for the least amount of money. That included Commercial Fishing Vessels too.

  • 6 votes
#6.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:18 AM EST
Lebowsky

That's a sad ending for a ship JJ and what struck me is, that this may have been due to PVC pipe failure. That just begs all sorts of questions and from what I hear, the sea doesn't give up it's secrets easily. Very glad the crew was safe.

Good to see you posting my friend :o)

  • 5 votes
#6.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:23 AM EST
FIGHTING FOR RIGHTS

Good morning Leb. Nice to see you as always. It is always sad to see a ship go down no matter the cause.

  • 4 votes
#6.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:21 PM EST
mightyj

The Plan B represented the dreams of a hard working fisherman. I am sad to see her go.

  • 4 votes
#6.5 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:33 AM EST
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JAVE

A hole in a boat is a risky thing, even if fitted with a pipe. A PVC pipe? It seems rather brittle for a steel boat with big engines. I don't know, that's not my field. PVC is used on smaller craft but I would of imagined it better to use brass or some metal on a boat of this size. It sounds like a boat owner taking a short cut with the life of his crew. How much extra would a better fitting cost?

I'm glad the crew got off, they were lucky they were rather close to shore. I had an old livewell plug pop out once, it's scary.

  • 8 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:42 PM EST
Grisham

I know nothing about boats, but I'm sorry for the owner. Those are really good pictures too.

  • 8 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:48 PM EST
mightyj

The guy who took them did a good job and he had just abandoned onto a lobster boat.

  • 2 votes
#8.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:33 PM EST
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G. H.

Sorry for them.......but glad it wasn't you, jj! ♥

  • 8 votes
Reply#9 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:18 AM EST
mightyj

GH. I am sorry for them too. As for me....

I have had my swimming lessons already and I am all set.

  • 3 votes
#9.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:32 PM EST
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deepwater don

PVC pipes are not the best things in engine rooms, if that is the cause of the sinking. Glad the crew got off. Remember the article you wrote and the captions for it about this boat awhile back. Can't say I am not surprised at the fate of the Plan B. Maintenance and upkeep are an absolute, of course.

Have to admit the weather was fine for a sinking, if you will. Gives me flashbacks, so to speak, of the time I had to do a boat on fire, get in the life raft, freezing heavy spray, Rescued by another boat, etc. drill.

Glad it wasn't you. Stay sasfe, be well, good fishing to you.

  • 5 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:58 AM EST
ambivalent

So sad to see it go down. Glad nobody was harmed.

  • 5 votes
Reply#11 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:13 AM EST
tzia62

Just stay safe and return soon!!

  • 5 votes
Reply#12 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:50 AM EST
Ian F Walter

Bummer. Glad the weather was good for the rescue and all crew are okay.

  • 5 votes
Reply#13 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:47 AM EST
mightyj

Glad the weather was good for the rescue and all crew are okay.

Yes. Boats and equipment can be replaced.

  • 3 votes
#13.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:27 PM EST
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lobsterman1491

hey i was on that boat when i was 15 a 4 inch pvc hose broke on me and i was the only one on there it was the hose that fed the hoses and it was directly off the seacock @!$%# happends. danny phill is a good man he allways treated me right and fair he busted his ass for a long time trying to get that thing to catch fish and not just carry. and lots of money doing so.

  • 5 votes
Reply#14 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:47 AM EST
mightyj

He deserved better than he got that is for sure.

Having folks around that can run good piping is important. Give me steel pipe everytime and if anything goes wrong I'll weld it up. There is no reason to be installing tupperware on a steel rig. The stuff will break on you at the worst possible moment.

  • 4 votes
#14.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:24 PM EST
ombra

There is no reason to be installing tupperware on a steel rig

That's a good way to put it. The sea doesn't come with a shut off valve and it's usually the little things that can kill you out there.

  • 4 votes
#14.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:30 AM EST
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JM California

That's exactly why you won't catch me on the water very often.

I love to see the ocean from land. I'm afreyyyyyed!

Great story and photos.

Thanks for sharing.

  • 4 votes
Reply#15 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:06 PM EST
mightyj

JM- Boats are just holes in the water you throw money into. (:

  • 3 votes
#15.1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:25 PM EST
JM California

I prefer canoeing on a calm lake with a small mouth bass attached to my hook. :)

  • 4 votes
#15.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:30 PM EST
mightyj

Then bread crumbs and a little olive oil......

  • 2 votes
#15.3 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:34 PM EST
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Mrs D-1475814

I would think if you had "Plan B"... that you would strive to get back to Plan A at some point in time... JMT :) I'm just very happy that no one got hurt. :( I will have to check all the photos I took while I was in Maine. I don't think I have a photo of "Plan A"... but, I did take photos of many uniquely named boats. :)

  • 3 votes
Reply#16 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:12 AM EST
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