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My Apology To My Friends In The Newsvine Photographers and Everyone Else I Offended In The Events Leading Up To and The Aftermath of My Unceremonious Booting For "Blatant and Unapologetic Copyright Infringement"

Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:39 AM EST
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By mightyj
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 For anyone that doesn't know last year I was banished from my favorite group on the vine and from the Foto-Friday feature that was a mainstay of my column every week. I sincerely do not wish for a re-hash of those events I cannot think it would be good for anyone involved to have to go there. Suffice it to say that I made a number of mistakes which included the writing of this article which stated some concerns I had with the new mandated branding that was a requirement for participation in Foto-Friday articles at the time. There has been some back pedaling on the issue after the fact  but at the time I wrote the article there was no mis-understanding. I would be happily doing foto-friday articles today if it weren't for the fact that I was thrown out while lobbying to get the brand made into a voluntary thing. Like it is now.

 This isn't about being right. To hell with being right. This is about owning up to the mistakes I made and apologizing to the injured parties for not thinking things through. I didn't take into account the feelings of the people who worked hard to get the brand done nor did I see the work behind the scenes to get the archives to work when you click on it and stuff. All I saw was an annoying image that created another step of difficulty in a process that I sometimes found to be a little overwhelming in it's difficulty due to the connectivity issues associated with life on the ocean. I really didn't look far enough past my personal stuff to see how damaging my posting would be about the issue and all of my hopes for what I was trying to accomplish blew up in my face.

 Kicked out and having done more harm than good I tried to soldier on and do my column without any of the main features that I participated in but it just wasn't the same. I thought about quitting the vine and gave up doing articles pretty much altogether. To date my column languishes and much of my readership has dispersed (as in nothing to see here). My camera has lain in it's bag card full of un-processed and un-published images. We had a rescue dog named Blue that my wife wanted me to do an article on and I didn't have the heart to write it, we found him a home and she cried for a week and I never did his article or got good pictures of him. I guess you never truly appreciate something until you lose it.

 NV photographers meant a lot to me and I put a lot of effort into participating in it. I tried to support everyone that I could from the group as much as I could and I always encouraged others to do the same. I honestly thought that kind of participation would be valued and never thought I would get myself thrown out of the group. (It's not like I was getting all rowdy on people's picture columns and stuff). It has taken me awhile to move past this and I think part of that is the fact that I never even knew why I was kicked out of the group. I honestly thought it was because I disagreed with Ben and Mal about the brand thing. That I was thrown out for altering the image never even occurred to me.

 That was a pretty stupid thing to do in retrospect but it seemed pretty funny at the time. Of course it was just image editing I broke the link and everything else went to hell as soon as I touched it. When I replaced the whole thing with my own imagery was probably the part where I really screwed up but by then I was feeling a little bossed around on the issue and wasn't thinking. There are times to joke around and there are times to be serious and I sometimes joke around a little too long (Like after everyone else has decided it isn't funny). 

 The cow video was probably the last straw. I am really sorry and want to apologize to everyone that was offended by the cow video.

For the folks and friends that I offended and angered with my thoughtlessness I am sincerely sorry. I didn't mean to infringe on anybody's copyright or make anyone feel like I was casting aspersions at their hard work.

 I am most sorry for the appearance that I no longer support my friends image articles because that isn't exactly what is going on. For me the brand may always be the worst  thing that ever happened to me on Newsvine and I avoid it when possible. I don't comment much when it is there but you guys will always have my support and I think that writing this is going to be a big part of moving past such considerations.

 Ben to you I am most sorry for the fact that I never took the time to get to know you well enough to avoid this mess. Most of your comments to me were rather terse (about rules and stuff) when I try to see myself through your eyes I wonder if you forgave me all of the stupid mistakes as easily as I forgave myself or if those moments bore weight on your decision. Anyways I apologize for my part in everything. I may be a "blatant copyright infringer ," but I don't have to be an unapologizing one. I want to thank you for having the following conversation with me on the big meta-thread where you finally informed me of why I got kicked out. For you it may have been a bridge burning conversation but for me it was cathartic to finally find out why.

This reply to Story Artist in the big meta thread (comments merged for space considerations)......about NV Photographers spurred the following discourse between Ben and I. 

the slightest criticism about the job being done with that group results in dismissal from it.

Blatant and unapologetic copyright infringement is not criticism.

I thought my removal of the offending image and subsequent statements to the effect that I was wrong in the matter were enough but if not.....

Right.  That's why they aren't all removed from this article... or this article... you were politely asked to stop making derivatives... declined to acknowledge the request... you took a couple weeks...  then wrote this article that, again, used the same unauthorized derivative while insulting those who created... you were booted over it, justifiably so.  Boots are unceremonious.

 I apologize for altering your image and posting it in a format other than the original.

Too little too late 

   You rule (with an iron fist).

Ah, so that's where it's coming from.  Nice work.

 

Ben

Right.  That's why they aren't all removed from this article... or this article... you were politely asked to stop making derivatives... declined to acknowledge the request... you took a couple weeks...  then wrote this article that, again, used the same unauthorized derivative while insulting those who created

   Those images do not have even one pixel of your stick figure drawings in them they are not a derivative of a stick figure drawing at all. I removed all of the offending combined works that  added my imagery to the brand. I am sorry if it didn't occur in a timely enough fashion I was working offshore at the time and couldn't get a lot of internet time to fix everything.

Anyone that was insulted should know that is not what I wanted.

you were booted over it, justifiably so.  Boots are unceremonious.

  Thank you for finally explaining that to me. I think it is fitting to at least do that for a group member who often times only did articles to participate in NV photographers. It was hard to get those articles done with the limited time I had.

When I apologized for altering your image and posting it in a format other than the original you said....

Too little, too late.

  If you say so then it must be true, we both know I can do so much better...

Ah, so that's where it's coming from.  Nice work

   I am just glad that you didn't shrink from confrontation and hide behind others this time. Those aren't good traits for an award winning moderator.

I was working on some high key Dolphin photography off of Cape Cod yesterday. I haven't found a foto feature for these guys yet but surely they will be welcome somewhere.

"Judge the actions not the words."

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mightyj

I really am sorry. ):

Ps- I am not lobbying for re-instatement.

Pps- I am however really glad that a lot of folks have found their way back to the group and that everything is getting better again.

  • 22 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:43 AM EST
58rose

what getting better? we can hang out here on our own.

  • 10 votes
#1.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:20 PM EST
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Lebowsky

Jeez,,, that's all very nice JJ now pull your pants back up and start posting. :o)

I for one miss your stuff. Be mighty!

  • 20 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:49 AM EST
AZPADDY

mightyj

Your article and the hurt you've expressed really explains a lot, at least for me.

  • 8 votes
#2.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:32 PM EST
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upswing

mightyj:

So, would I have to pay someone a royalty if I disseminated the original Photofriday brand?

Too bad you got booted.

Most definitely the group's loss.

Now, get typing. You've got a lot of missed articles to make up for! :-)

  • 18 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:49 AM EST
mightyj

would I have to pay someone a royalty if I disseminated the original Photofriday brand?

I really don't know but I am going to say that particular title and feature is the property of the NV Photographers. They are a completely open group and to my knowledge all are welcome to join (with the one exception of course). So if a person wanted to do foto-friday all they have to do is join the group.

I am thinking moving forward that I will post my pictures on Friday too (call it an old habit).

How does "No Forum Friday Photography." or "Fishy Friday Photos (Gosh I hope they don't stink)"

I am kind of partial to the second one.

  • 15 votes
#3.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:43 PM EST
scar_tissue

Hey jj! I'm partial to the 2nd one, too....esp the parenthetical stinking disclaimer :P

Or you could be a real rebel & do Seasick Saturday ;-)

  • 15 votes
#3.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:40 PM EST
Vlad's dog

You could call it frisky Friday Fotos JJ and use your cat image as you personal logo brand. Just dont' call the cat Morris, copyright issue ya know.

Ah, maybe Frisky is a bad idea too.

Just call it Kattoon Friday.

Oh wait, maybe don't use the K.

Cattoon Fir-eye-days, there, now pay me 50,000 dollars and you can own this idea.

hehehehehehe

  • 13 votes
#3.3 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:46 PM EST
Lebowsky

I would beg to differ JJ about the title foto-friday, the artwork is a different story. Photo Friday, foto friday or foto-friday has been around much longer than NewsVine. A google search of "foto friday" will turn up no less than 18,000,000 results and you would have to look through several pages before an article on newsvine shows up. There are websites named foto friday, http://www.fotofriday.com/. Keep in mind that a copyright is a legal process, saying something is copyrighted does not necessarily make it so.

Next is the issue of tagging an article foto friday. Nobody owns tags or key words as they are properly called in HTML. They are descriptive words placed in the html <meta> tag under the element "keyword" for search engine purposes (w3schools). A good example of how they work would be to google "foto friday, mightyj" and look what occupies the 1st page out of 4,910 results.

Just out of respect I personally would never use someones artwork without their permission and I would hope that others do the same. The banners created by NVP most certainly belong to them. The name foto friday is another story.

  • 17 votes
#3.4 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:52 PM EST
mstanley2265

What Leb said

wow Leb if you aren't in the Computers & Internet group You need to be...:)

  • 12 votes
#3.5 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:33 PM EST
58rose

YEAH Leb, what ms said. i think Leb is a computer!!!!

  • 10 votes
#3.6 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:23 PM EST
mightyj

It's the bird. Look deep into his eyes and you can see the wisdom behind the scenes. Thank you for the heads up about Foto-Friday, I had no idea that wasn't a Newsvine Original Idea.

I have some original ideas for Newsvine. A friend (crew mate) has been publishing some of my images on Facebook and I found the response inspiring. I have images being used for avatars there and images being republished all over the place. Since I am a fisherman with a camera (And not a professional) I think that is pretty cool.

  • 13 votes
#3.7 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:54 PM EST
58rose

i think it is really cool.

  • 9 votes
#3.8 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:01 AM EST
Kearney Outlaw

A google search of "foto friday" will turn up no less than 18,000,000 results and you would have to look through several pages before an article on newsvine shows up.

And so anyone is more than welcome to leave Newsvine and post all the Foto-Friday stories they want. But I think most people will agree that within the context of Newsvine--and that's where we are now--the term belongs to the NVP. Common courtesy, if nothing else, would dictate that.

Of course, common courtesy may be lacking around the vine... It disappoints me that this is even mentioned.

  • 9 votes
#3.9 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:09 AM EST
mightyj

KO- I think you are absolutely right about that. The discussion about foto-friday was more trivia than anything else.

I will be posting my images with a different title in order to both respect my friends and celebrate my individualism :)

  • 11 votes
#3.10 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:25 PM EST
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Vlad's dog

Looking forward to moving forward JJ,. You have been missed here so get your fingers moving and show yourself more often.

  • 18 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:02 AM EST
mightyj

Vlad's moving forward is good. I guess everyone that puts any effort into NV at some point is going to wonder if it is worth it to carry on. There is an article in that topic.....more than one.

  • 6 votes
#4.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:00 AM EST
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Soovivers

JJ - I missed you so much like Vlad said. It just wasn't the same without your wonderful photos from the ocean that most of us never get to see. Plus I miss Sophie and Reina and their antics. As you probably know I also had a run-in and during that month or two I felt like you do now. But after apologies all around I'm back to showing my pictures. I'm so glad to see ya JJ.

  • 16 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:34 AM EST
mightyj

Soov- Remember the squirrels? That article of yours was the most fun. We should do that again.

  • 6 votes
#5.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:02 AM EST
Soovivers

Squirrels JJ Sheesh have you seen my squirrel photos lately? That was fun and we can do it again if you wanta. It's just easier to conform in this case JJ. It;s not the same without you. Plus I really do want to see the doggies again all the time - like in the old days.

Was Blue that little puppy that you showed pictures of once or twice and he thought he could fight with Reina and Sophia - and win? lols.

  • 7 votes
#5.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:32 AM EST
mightyj

The puppy is Dre. He is so big now. He towers over the girls but they boss him around more now than when he was a little puppy.

Blue was our big galute rescue dog. He was found in the neighborhood near death from the thousands of ticks embedded in his skin and starvation. My wife nursed him back to health and then gave him up to the nicest guy who loves him more than a dog could ever hope for. It is a happy story for Blue but kind of a sad one for our family.

  • 9 votes
#5.3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:31 PM EST
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Ian F Walter

MightyJ,

I don't know the first thing about the events you describe, but I know this...it was an apology well-rendered and it speaks volumes about your inherent character and how much you cared about being an active particpant in that group. While it's clear that you aren't entirely proud of your own behavior, nor entirely understanding of the behavior of those who took umbrage, it's also clear that you would like to do your part to make it right. I hope others might feel the same.

Perhaps they might consider inviting you back, even though you aren't lobbying for such an offer. And perhaps you might consider accepting if they do make an offer. They appear to be a worthy group, and you seem to be a worthy individual.

Regardless of all of that, I hope your participation in Newsvine might ramp up again. One way or the other, you are an obvious asset to this community.

Friend request sent.

P.S. And finally, this...

but by then I was feeling a little bossed around on the issue and wasn't thinking. There are times to joke around and there are times to be serious and I sometimes joke around a little too long (Like after everyone else has decided it isn't funny).

Egads, MightyJ. An affliction some of us understand all to well.

  • 20 votes
Reply#6 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:43 AM EST
mightyj

Ian- I see you in blue! I have been enjoying your posts very much on other threads. I look forward to reading more...

  • 15 votes
#6.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:35 PM EST
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MoonCrow

JJ ... I missed all that drama and controversy... have been absent a lot because I've had a bit of drama going on in my personal life with a dear one fighting for his life ... for months now; so I just want to know that when I can be here at NV, I'm gonna be able to see some of your art. Isn't that what friends are all about?

  • 19 votes
Reply#7 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:04 AM EST
Abby.

Well said, MoonCrow.
I don't know what happened either, but I DO know that JJ's a good person.
*hugs*

  • 7 votes
#7.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:51 PM EST
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M, Reed Tucson Az

I don't know who you are and I don't know what happened here. I do know it takes a big person to step up after being hurt or misunderstood and say there were things they did that they aren't proud of and are now sorry for... for that alone I say it should be time for bygones to be bygones... water under the bridge or life lessons everyone took something from. I took from this something similar to Ian F Walter... you had me at "There are times to joke around and there are times to be serious and I sometimes joke around a little too long (Like after everyone else has decided it isn't funny)", like Ian said this is an affliction many of us understand all to well :) We're all human and its crazy sometimes how we hold each other to standards we ourselves struggle with...that said I totally respect you for coming forward to admit to your own human frailties o,o We all have things we struggle with and I want to say thank you for sharing such a personal story about your own growth as a human, it was very generous of you. I also hope it brings some closure, and that it allows you to move forward in peace.

  • 17 votes
Reply#8 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:29 AM EST
mightyj

M Reed- Thank you for that thoughtful comment. I just left a comment on your, "Suicide Is My Choice," article.

I hope you find the time to respond to me over there.

  • 8 votes
#8.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:24 AM EST
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HollyKl

Hi, JJ. I'll say first of all that I can appreciate the sentiments you have expressed in this article. I don't know if you are aware of it or not but Ben is on vacation right now and (understandably) not spending a lot of time on the vine. We'll definitely bring your article to his attention when we do hear from him. In the meantime, I think we're all ready to put this issue behind us and would like not to see anymore upset or wounded feelings over it. If there are things that you still feel you would like to discuss with Ben, perhaps a private e-mail might be the way go. :)

  • 15 votes
Reply#9 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:03 AM EST
mightyj

Hi HollyK- There is no time limit. This apology does not require anything. My sincere hope is that we can all move forward as friends no matter what groups we belong to. For me the creative part of the vine is the best part of it. I wouldn't see it divided.

  • 13 votes
#9.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:28 PM EST
FlNutmegger

My sincere hope is that we can all move forward as friends no matter what groups we belong to.

MJ, you may have lost some folks who did not agree with you but rest assured you did not lose your friends who are still here for you.

  • 11 votes
#9.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:48 PM EST
mightyj

Hi FLnutmegger- It is taking me awhile to get back to everyone cause I am working right now. We are in unloading fish.

Thank you for your kind comment. I am lucky to have friends like you.

  • 6 votes
#9.3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:31 AM EST
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AmericaRepublic

lot of class you have shown mighty...not a lot of people have that rare trait...you do my friend..top notch.

  • 17 votes
Reply#10 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:08 AM EST
mightyj

AR- It is so good to see you around the vine. I was wondering how you were.

  • 8 votes
#10.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:33 AM EST
AmericaRepublic

staying busy my friend..lol...good article...and good class my friend...thanks for sharing.

  • 7 votes
#10.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:50 AM EST
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FlNutmegger

MJ, I along with all of the others posting here seemed to have missed the drama and for that I am not sorry. I am truly sorry for the results though since you have been my window on a number of events which you photographed and presented here and for which I am truly grateful. Being mostly house bound sucks and having the ability to see what you see through your eyes and talent is for me a God send. Keep posting please!

  • 15 votes
Reply#11 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:09 AM EST
Mrs D-1475814

((((Tsula♥))))) You are in my heart and I know that JJ will be posting his adventures (where ever he wants) for all of us to enjoy. :) We don't need to think about or care about any drama dear heart. :)

  • 11 votes
#11.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:41 PM EST
FlNutmegger

(((((((((((((((♥♥Mrs D♥♥))))))))))))))

  • 8 votes
#11.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:49 PM EST
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deepwater don

Carry on bro!!!!!! Be safe, stay well, keep posting. Always got your back. The rest of them can piss off and eat fish!

  • 15 votes
Reply#12 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:20 AM EST
mightyj

Don- You're the best.

The rest of them can eat fish!

If they are lucky. When I am cooking the fish are damn good. (:

  • 9 votes
#12.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:31 PM EST
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Desertzonie

OK -- I guess I missed the drama too. Maybe because I quit posting pictures on FF and WE around the time the "brand" was insisted upon. Heck, I thought it was even silly to have to wait till 12:00 est to publish if you wanted to be included in fotofriday.

I hope to see more of your photos soon.

  • 16 votes
Reply#13 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:53 AM EST
mightyj

DZ- I have missed your images a lot, you always had the best stories to go with them.

  • 10 votes
#13.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:33 PM EST
MJL-3

mightyj

it takes a strong person to appologize , especially so openly.

I admire you for that :)

  • 11 votes
#13.2 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:26 PM EST
mightyj

MJL- Thank you. I have been voting you up on the meta threads. I like your style and the way you stand up for yourself and your friends.

  • 9 votes
#13.3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:42 AM EST
MJL-3

Thanks, although on another seed, my outspokenness got a comment deleted, but that's ok,

I will persevere

FR sent :)

  • 7 votes
#13.4 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:05 AM EST
mightyj

Comments get deleted sometimes.

You can try to get it restored or (Write it into an article and bring it back ten fold :).

Sometimes it's easier to just restate it with a little more poet and a little less warrior.

Fr happily accepted.

  • 6 votes
#13.5 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:34 PM EST
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ERich-356044

JJ!!!

You have been missed.

I don't know/understand/actively participate in the photo friday group... so now I am afraid to post my before/after pics of my kitchen remodel... ugh!

I love your photos of the sea... they are such a destressing element here on the vine.

E

  • 12 votes
Reply#14 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:18 PM EST
Lebowsky

so now I am afraid to post my before/after pics of my kitchen remodel... ugh!

I sure hope not E :o) Be you and be in charge!

I would come to see them and I'll bet many others would too ♥

  • 14 votes
#14.1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:28 PM EST
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Dare To Hope

I have missed your ocean shots and videos so much. I love the views that you always show us of a world we can only imagine, and hope all of this is behind you and you'll start posting again. There was alot of turmoil with several viners at that time and members were lost, sadly. There's nothing that can't be fixed and you were not totally at fault. Hopefully this apology can go both ways and we'll see you back here where you belong :)

  • 12 votes
Reply#15 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:59 PM EST
mightyj

Hi Dare- I don't know where I belong now but I do know that I am staying here with my friends. I have missed your image articles lately (I just went to one. Did you get a new camera?)

  • 5 votes
#15.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:52 PM EST
Dare To Hope

With your friends IS where you belong :)

No, I didn't get a new camera, I'm finally taking the time to learn the one I have. Though I will have to get one eventually since Kodak is falling apart :(

  • 6 votes
#15.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:58 PM EST
Abby.

With your friends IS where you belong :)

Couldn't have said it better myself!
:D

  • 7 votes
#15.3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:06 PM EST
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Mighty Mouth

I think I speak for us all when I say - There's a an empty space about your size each Friday where your exquisite images and articles used to grace our community pages. JJ dear friend, I seem to have missed all the unfolding drama of recent weeks but above all - I've missed you dear friend! I've been visiting your column from time-to-time in search of your regular foto friday slot only to leave disappointed. I had wondered whether your work had kept you away - I guess now I know! It is however, to your great credit and a testament to the fine person I know you to be that you can be magnaminous in 'defeat,' yet gracious in a fulsome apology. I only hope they'll let bygones-be-bygones and reconsider their decision, but meanwhile - pick up that camera, hit that keyboard and start posting again - you have become conspicuous by your absence.

  • 15 votes
Reply#16 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:01 PM EST
mightyj

Hi Mighty, I am still trying to get a picture like your avatar. (It's gonna happen). Thank you for your kind post. I have so many images to edit right now it is a little over-whelming (I may have over done the dolphin photography a little but I can't resist).

I will be back to publishing in no time. (:

  • 8 votes
#16.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:56 PM EST
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js-445607

I love you dearly, JJ, and your sense of fun is so valued. This apology is unnecessary as far as I'm concerned but truly a tribute to your honor as a person. I think you've done a smash up job explaining yourself to all that are involved.

One thing I'd like to see on the vine is group owners being a bit more respectful when admonishing a member. How hard is it to connect through e-mail instead of public reaming? I think we can all learn from your apology and perhaps think a bit deeper as to how we handle situations in the future.

  • 16 votes
Reply#17 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:35 PM EST
mightyj

Js- I want to collaborate with you on a foto-feature. If you have a little time I think it would be well worth it and fun too.

I have some ideas that could use both another persons take and some help from that amazing portfolio of images you have.

  • 6 votes
#17.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:48 AM EST
js-445607

I'm in, JJ, and this sounds like a lot of fun. Thanks.

  • 5 votes
#17.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:12 PM EST
mightyj

I am going to e-mail you and see what you think (improvements or better ideas are always possible :) I will write it as soon as I am done.

  • 6 votes
#17.3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:59 PM EST
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JM California

Js,

One thing I'd like to see on the vine is group owners being a bit more respectful when admonishing a member.

Right on!

JJ, I've seen your work and it is fabulous. You can always post outside of the "restraints" of a group. NVP has some fantastic members, but there are many fantastic photographers and artists outside of it. Most serious artists are non-conformists and they will never submit to rules. No harm-no foul, and it does appear that your apology is unwarranted. Anyway, it wasn't the entire group that banished you and your termination was their loss.

I'm placing you on my watch list and look forward to your best contributions, whether you're reinstated within the group or not.

  • 12 votes
Reply#18 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:58 PM EST
mightyj

I responded on your latest image article. Your flower pictures are excellent.

  • 8 votes
#18.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:54 AM EST
JM California

That means a lot. Thank you, F/R.

  • 6 votes
#18.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:44 PM EST
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Mrs D-1475814

(((((JJ♥)))))) Miss you very much dear friend.

  • 10 votes
Reply#19 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:52 PM EST
mightyj

(((((((((Mrs D))))))))) I will always look you up my friend and come to your articles (Even if I have to use my back door to private groups trick again.) .... (:

  • 10 votes
#19.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:03 AM EST
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GrayTherapy

Heck MightyJ - I must have missed a lot of fun and excitement. I joined NV over a year ago and you became one of my first friends. I took a long vacation and not long ago came back.

You were a freind then, you are a friend now, we supported each other then, we support each other now. The past is history and we must move on. I will move on with you.

You're a strong and good person, you're always wanting to help others. Let us help you now.

Your good friend - GrayTherapy (GT)

  • 10 votes
Reply#20 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:01 PM EST
mightyj

Gray- Thank you. I am thankful for your support and glad to support your very informative health articles and new group. I look forward to seeing more. (I am actually a fish-etarian and may someday write an article about the health benefits of that.)

  • 7 votes
#20.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:08 AM EST
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G. H.

jj!!!!! Woot! My BFF (best fishy friend) I have been REALLY missing you! Dang, I didn't know about all the hoopla either, and just wondered where you'd been. Figured maybe you were just out of range or something. I'm am terrified of the ocean, so my only safe and fun viewing is with you! Plus I miss your humor and your fur family. SOOOOOO happy to see you here! :-)

♥((((jj))))♥

  • 10 votes
Reply#21 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:02 PM EST
mightyj

((((((((((GH))))))))))) I am always glad to see you around. I am going to look you up to see if I can see the new kitty cat pictures.

  • 6 votes
#21.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:13 AM EST
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58rose

jj, i'm still out here by my self, looking forward to your coming back.

  • 11 votes
Reply#22 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:34 PM EST
mightyj

58rose- We just got back to the dock a short while ago. I can't wait to look you up and see what you and Rosie have going.

  • 8 votes
#22.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:18 AM EST
58rose

you'll be busy my friend. lol

  • 6 votes
#22.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:43 PM EST
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CL1

jj.. Now I understand what you were intimating in my discussion section about making amends and moving on.

I didn't know about the circumstances. It's obviously something that has been underlyingly bothering you, and you have done the right thing, imo, to clear the air, so to speak... not just to apologize, but to make known how you perceived what happened and why, for the sake of those involved.

Personalities will always clash. We either make the best of those shared spaces and times, or we move on. Whatever you decide will be what's best for your own peace of mind and enjoyment. As you stated to me, something profitable might be a more worthy investment of your time.

It's less important 'where' you spend the effort, and more important that you are doing it, simply because of your statement that many of us might know too well:

I guess you never truly appreciate something until you lose it.

  • 10 votes
Reply#23 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:30 AM EST
mightyj

CL1-

It's less important 'where' you spend the effort, and more important that you are doing it,

I think so too, I am going to get back to it and figure that it is all gravy from here.

  • 10 votes
#23.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:11 PM EST
CL1

Good to read that!

  • 10 votes
#23.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:26 PM EST
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sisboom56

jj,

We all make mistakes. Move on, learn from them. Don't let anyone live in your head.

  • 7 votes
Reply#24 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:47 AM EST
mightyj

sisboom- I am so happy to see you around. (: I stop by your column some times but I haven't been by in a while. I took a few vinecations.

  • 8 votes
#24.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:13 PM EST
sisboom56

jj, You are such a rebel!

  • 7 votes
#24.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:56 PM EST
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tzia62

To make a "public" apology takes a lot of courrage, I commend you for that!!

  • 8 votes
Reply#25 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:09 AM EST
G. H.

That's cause jj's a "commendable" person! :-)

  • 7 votes
#25.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:32 PM EST
mightyj

tzia- Thank you for your kind words. We are sailing now.

  • 5 votes
#25.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:05 PM EST
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