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The Hospital May Kill Your Child, a True Story About Medicine in America

Mon May 31, 2010 11:19 AM EDT
health, health-care, parenting, medical, hospitals, nursing, child-care, pediatrics
By mightyj
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In America we have the best medical system in the world (?) I am sure you've never heard that statement before. In the health care debate we heard lots of good stuff like that, mostly coming from our cash rich medical industry. I have also heard it stated that a lot of the high cost of medicine could be solved with tort reform. That means if we reformed our civil justice system in regards to how many malpractice lawsuits we have, set limits of awards and punitive damages against doctors and hospitals we would have less expensive healthcare. I wonder if that is a good idea because I am certain the issue will come up again. The following is a true story, it throws a little light on the subject and is I believe worthy.

Tammy is a registered nurse has been for over 15 years she worked for a time in pediatrics at a hospital in the western US. In pediatrics a nurse has less patients than a regular ward, kids are a little more needy as patients are concerned thus no more than 6 per nurse were allowed in the ward she worked. One day while working in the ward another nurse needed to take her lunch break and passed off a patient to her for the half hour she gets for lunch. (This is common practice at hospitals) The patient was a 9 year old little girl, pretty and brave she never once complained during what was to be the last hour of her life.

When a nurse takes a patient from another nurse a good one like Tammy takes the patients vital signs as soon as the hand off occurs. While taking her new patients vitals she quickly became concerned, a check of the chart showed that one hour ago the patients vital signs were much better than they were now, a marked deterioration in her medical condition. Further inspection revealed that the patient had just had medication administered before the hand off. That is not according to safe protocol, and is not acceptable at that work place. Tammy pulled out her cell and called the other nurse at lunch, reported to her that the patients vitals had deteriorated in the last hour. The other nurse sounding unconcerned informed her that the same thing had happened with the patient before with that medicine and she would be fine. She then informed Tammy that she would be late getting back because she had an errand.

Tammy had other patients (little ones) that needed care but she could not leave the little girl in the condition she was in. She took her vital signs again, they were worse, pulse weak and thready, face pale, difficulty breathing and lack of adequate blood flow. Her hands were like ice and her temperature was dropping. She pulled out the chart and called the number of the attending physician. He was on the golf course. When she informed him of the little girls deteriorating situation he told her what the other nurse had said. They had seen this before and she should come out of it fine. If there was any further deterioration of her condition or she showed no improvement in the next hour Tammy or the other nurse was to call him.

Thirty five minutes had passed since Tammy had taken this 9 year old girl into her care and she felt like she had done nothing to help her. She also had other patients so she called the doctor in charge of the ward. She informed him of the situation and asked that a team be sent to transfer the patient to intensive treatment. The head of pediatrics said that he could not go against the attending physician that she would just have to do what he said. He would not come, nor would he send another doctor to help her. Tammy was beside herself, she tried to call the other nurse to tell her to come take care of her patient because she did not want the responsibility anymore. The other nurse didn't answer her phone.

Tammy sat with the little girl for another 15 minutes holding her hand and telling her she was going to be ok before she coded (her heart stopped beating). It took almost 3 minutes for the code team to get there, they had to come all the way from intensive treatment. When they got there they were a mess, they were disorganized, couldn't find things, and failed to revive the patient. 55 minutes after taking the little girl into her care Tammy's patient was declared dead. She had lost patients before but not like this. This was a child, somebody's little girl, and she didn't have to die. The other nurse returned a minute after the official time of death looking rushed. Tammy told her, "You have to do the post-code on this patient because you killed her, and if I do the post code that's what I am going to say."

The other nurse did the post-code on the little girl. The well filled out reports detailing the extra-ordinary measures and lengths the hospital staff and code team had gone to to preserve the child's life. The family was devestated, but did not sue because they were never informed of what really happened. Tammy has a little girl and lives 5 miles from that hospital, when her daughter got injured the following year she drove her to a hospital that was 40 miles away.

My source could not tell this story herself for obvious reasons. Knowing this story and that it was swept under the rug instead of anybody taking a hard look at how things are and what can be done is troubling to me. It hurts me to think of the brave little girl who never complained while dying from the best health care system in the world. I had to write this.....I thank you for reading it.

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I really think knowing this story hurt my news parody I wrote yesterday. I had to write this, I needed to, I could not know this anymore without trying to tell somebody about it. I think that this story in particular requires respectful comments. Thank you again for reading. JJ

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Reply#1 - Mon May 31, 2010 11:23 AM EDT
Remote Viewer

I am so glad you wrote this up, JJ. These things happen often in "the world's best medical system," which runs on profit to the exclusion of availability, quality, and safety. Ever notice how you're given waivers to sign before virtually any medical procedure? No such protection exists for the patient in our system.

Your nurse friend did the best she could with every possible card stacked against her. I wish she could find comfort in knowing this, but somehow I doubt that she can. {{{{{Grieving Nurse}}}}}

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Mon May 31, 2010 1:22 PM EDT
mightyj

It is I think the worst thing that ever happened to her in her career. In ways I find it kind of cold and calculating, the way the people that were responsible in this situation were so willing to let her be written out of the child's paperwork just because she said she would tell the truth. JJ

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 1:55 PM EDT
Remote Viewer

In ways I find it kind of cold and calculating, the way the people that were responsible in this situation were so willing to let her be written out of the child's paperwork just because she said she would tell the truth.

It absolutely is cold and calculating. Business as usual. There's probably a handbook in that hospital specifically for dealing with these inconveniences.

  • 4 votes
#2.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 1:58 PM EDT
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VisionCoast

This sad story is yet another in the untold numbers of people who die needlessly at the hands of our medical professionals and Big Pharma. According to the AMA (a dubious organization), 225,000 Americans die each year due to lethal illness caused by to medical examination or treatment, making medical error the third leading cause of death in the United States. My heart goes out to this little girl's family.

My own firsthand experience includes a primary care doctor who treated my cancer symptoms as post-nasal drip and a sinus infection, and he prescribed an antibiotic. After I was admitted to the hospital, his nurse practitioner called me and said my symptoms were textbook for non-Hodgkins lymphoma, which was my diagnosis. A year later, my oncologist told me that if I hadn't gotten to him when I did, I would've had 24 to 48 hours to live. It had been the nurse practitioner who finally ordered the chest x-ray that revealed a 25cm tumor in my chest.

My second alarming event was when I was in the hospital to have the port through which I received chemo surgically removed. As I was lying in the pre-op area, the anesthesiologist came to see me, and as he was reading my chart, he asked me which arm I was having operated on. The port was under my collar bone, nowhere near either of my arms. After I informed him of what he was reading in my chart and the nurse came back, I told her what had happened. She picked up a ballpoint pen and drew a large arrow on my chest, pointing it toward the port. I couldn't help but wonder what I'd find when I came out of anesthesia. Thankfully, the nurse's drawing worked.

According to USAToday, hospital death rates were unavailable to the public until August 21, 2008. The reason for the secrecy is obvious, and it is no doubt such secrecy that leads Americans to believe we have the best healthcare in the world. I think the assertion is debatable, particularly as I watch accounts of Americans traveling overseas for hospital and medical care, often with excellent results that are far less expensive.

For anyone who may be interested, you can compare the mortality rates of hospitals in your area for heart attacks, heart failure and pneumonia. Just put in your ZIP code, select the mileage distance, choose three hospitals and see the results.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Mon May 31, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
mightyj

Vision Coast- Thank you for that informative post

I am thankfull for the nurse practitioner that saved your life. There are a lot of good people in medicine in America, people who really care and want to help. I think the problem is it is such a profit driven system, for the very ill profit concerns would say let them go, for my money I would like to stick around awhile and I know of one hospital where I would not take my kids. JJ

So are you in remission now? Did they clear your cancer?

  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 2:35 PM EDT
Remote Viewer

VisionCoast, your experience is horrifying. The fact that there are no real safeguards against it is doubly horrifying. I hope you are in remission after all that so you don't have to play Russian roulette with the hospital environment again any time soon.

There are a lot of good people in medicine in America, people who really care and want to help.

You're right, mightyj. The burnout rate among those who really care must be phenomenal, though. The ones who don't eat their hearts out are like the nurse who took off on her long lunch hour, the attending physician who was more interested in his golf game than his patients, and the head of pediatrics who hid behind bureaucratic barriers rather than be bothered with life and death. I have a good friend who left the nursing profession to become a librarian. It must happen all the time. We all lose by this.

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#3.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 2:54 PM EDT
yes I CAN

What nurse gets an hour lunch break ? I would like to know ? I am a burned out RN and after 25 yrs I do now enjoy the quiet of home or quiet of a library because I can no longer handle excessive sensory overload that nurses must handle minute by minute year to year . It takes its toll ...A nurse with an hour lunchbreak ? 60 free minutes ? I never heard of such a thing ... Many nurses work right through breaks or when they are ready to take a break a patient has a crisis etc ..And many choke down a quick bit in the nursing station because a new drama or problem will unfold and they need to be there ...An hour lunch break ??????? For a nurse that is incomprehensible .....Any nurse knows thats as rare as the rarest jewel of the world .....Well rested is well tested and nurses anything but well rested ...If mainstream only know !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 5 votes
#3.3 - Mon May 31, 2010 4:28 PM EDT
mightyj

Yes you did- Apparently she had an errand to do. She was gone just under an hour. I agree with everything you just said. It happened probably wasn't planned. JJ

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#3.4 - Mon May 31, 2010 4:34 PM EDT
VisionCoast

JJ and Remote Viewer,

Thanks very much for your support. I've been in remission for six years. The nurse practitioner was the first in a chain of people who saved my life, the second was my oncologist, the third is the heart surgeon. The entire event left me with some PTSD symptoms, most notably anxiety. I was with my accountant on Tuesday and clueless. On Thursday I was in the hospital. On Friday I was having open heart surgery. The following Tuesday I was in chemo. I think the rapid succession of events threw me over the edge.

I don't know how many cancer survivors we have in the U.S., but many of us deal with a considerably decreased quality of life after the illness and treatment. This is an area of medicine that many in the medical community don't want to acknowledge and know very little about. My own oncologist, who is brilliant, still will not face some of the lingering problems caused by chemo.

Aside from that, I learned one great lesson in the process: Good nurses are angels from heaven.

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#3.5 - Mon May 31, 2010 4:59 PM EDT
mightyj

Aside from that, I learned one great lesson in the process: Good nurses are angels from heaven.

Vision Coast- I couldn't agree more, in my memorial day article I honor them. I am glad to hear that you are all better, still you probably shouldn't take my advice about adding chemicals to the pizza rolls in your article (for that authentic mass produced, flash frozen, microwave style flavor) JJ

  • 4 votes
#3.6 - Mon May 31, 2010 5:08 PM EDT
VisionCoast

I think I've had enough chemicals. ☋

  • 4 votes
#3.7 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:52 PM EDT
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bitemore

This should be shocking. It should be shocking because it should be a rare occurrence. But it is all too common, and what is shocking is that too many people simply look bored, yawn, and change the subject.

I was an Operating Room Tech in the Air Force, and my experience of medicine was narrow, yes, but what happened in your article, JJ, would never have happened at that small USAF hospital where I was stationed. Everyone gave a damn. But, it was military, had the military training and discipline, and who knows? It may have been a rare example even then, but somehow, I doubt that. I think Medicine has regressed, work-ethic has regressed, money and profit have become everything, and Doctors would rather be on the golf course than caring for a patient. After all, they have malpractice insurance to bail them out...

Any wonder why I studiously avoid doctors and hospitals?

  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Mon May 31, 2010 3:46 PM EDT
mightyj

bitey it's not a wonder to me they will kill you. Give you bad meds and ignore you to death. JJ

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 3:51 PM EDT
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Lisafrequency

Anyone who in this medical system is at risk. This is why I preach against it so much.

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Mon May 31, 2010 4:22 PM EDT
A radicial idea

I read this and was dismayed. I am an R. N. and like yes I Can I was in utter disbelief. I in twenty two years I nursed I really never had a full thirty minutes for lunch that I can remember but I sure somewhere I did. Most of the time I would take my lunch while doing paperwork. Oh and you know those 15 minute breaks you are supposed to have nurses do not take them. Nurses are overworked and underpaid. They deal with stresses that would crumble the average person and send to a mental facility. I enjoyed my career as a nurse but I am damned glad its over. A trip in the RV. A meal that I don't have to swallow and let my stomach chew is gratifying. No life and death decisions. No prioritizing care. No dealing with megalomaniac doctors. No dealing with administrators who demand that I make the nurses I manage do four people's work so his bottom is inflated. No crapy supplies that were bought from gods know where. Yeah after twenty two years I am glad it's over but I pity the next generation of nurses.

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Reply#6 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:39 PM EDT
VisionCoast

Me, I pass out at the sight of lots of blood, even my own. To people like you, yes I CAN and all your colleagues who can and do provide care under some of the worst circumstances I'll never be able to imagine, my eternal thanks.

  • 4 votes
#6.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:57 PM EDT
mightyj

VC-

I have maritime medical training and because of that have been covered in other people's blood. On the ocean we don't have hospitals or doctors, if something needs done you have to do it on the boat or go to town (lots of lost money). So the guy with training gets the fun, I have done some really gross stuff, but nothing I have ever seen bothers me as much as the sight of my blood going up a tube. Just something about it doesn't seem right. JJ

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#6.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 11:42 PM EDT
A radicial idea

Me I can give shots with the best of them but come at me with a needle and I shake like a little school give. I am six foot eight male and i wiegh 250lbs. Go figure

  • 2 votes
#6.3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 1:23 AM EDT
VisionCoast

I'm the opposite of you guys. I can handle just about anything that happens to me, but I can't perform the simplest aid on others. I once left a buddy hanging over the sink with a mangled and bloody finger while I slunk off to pass out in the shade of a tree in my front yard.

The most difficult procedure I lived through was a bone marrow test. Nothing like having a doctor turn a big corkscrew into your pelvic bone...while you're fully awake and with no anesthetics. For a minute there, I thought I had passed out and been transported back to the Dark Ages.

  • 2 votes
#6.4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 12:10 PM EDT
mightyj

VC- So...Did you REPENT or were you having trouble understanding the Spanish? JJ

  • 3 votes
#6.5 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 12:28 PM EDT
VisionCoast

I think the trauma made me deaf. Nyuk-nyuk.

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#6.6 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 1:26 PM EDT
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A radicial idea

Here a horror story for you

When I was in nursing school back in 1981 I was in my second year of a 4 year program and I was in clinical setting in pediatrics at a major university hospital. I was caring for a for a pediatrics patient under the supervision of the floor nurse and my nursing instructor. I was unable to give meds as I had completed my pharmacology course. The patient was a bout 18 months old a toddler. He had massive burns to his hands from where he had picked up a small portable bar-b-q grill. His palms were covered in second degree burns. He had a blister that run from his fingers to his wrist. The doctor came in and ordered 1.5 grains of injectable codeine for his pain. He forgot the decimal point between the 1 and the five. Nancy nurse pulled 15 grains in to a syringe. I was observing her pulling up the meds. I informed her this was a lethal dose for this child. She stated that this is what the doctor ordered and I told if she gave it this would child would die. I exited the med room with her keys and locked her inside. I called the floor supervisor and my instructor. My instructor made it there first and she opened the door and took the syringe from the nurse at which time the floor supervisor arrived. The doctor was called and order verified at 1.5 mg. Somewhere there is a young man alive because I used my brain. Stuff like this is not an isolated incident it happens frequently. When I am in a hospital for any reason I question everything. When I have a loved one in the hospital a second person is always at the bedside. We use a small private hospital that place quality of care above all else even profit. So what’s the point Question every medication, question every procedure, question everything a nurse or doctor says to you and if it sounds wrong do not do it with out further explanation. It just might save your life

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Reply#7 - Mon May 31, 2010 7:06 PM EDT
bitemore

#7: Question every medication, question every procedure, question everything a nurse or doctor says to you and if it sounds wrong do not do it with out further explanation. It just might save your life

Very, very wise.

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#7.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 8:09 PM EDT
yes I CAN

What a powerful story . Powerful ...Just powerful . Thank you for having the courage to share this ......Thank you

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#7.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 8:17 PM EDT
mightyj

radical idea-

Thank you for that story and for haveing the guts to stand up for your patient. Like yes said powerful...I want to vote for you comment ten times and move it up to the top above my first one. JJ

  • 4 votes
#7.3 - Mon May 31, 2010 9:24 PM EDT
VisionCoast

Thank God you were observant. And thanks for the reminder to question everything.

  • 2 votes
#7.4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 12:13 PM EDT
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The Spirit

I guess we'll have to just limp along until the V set up their healing centers.

  • 4 votes
Reply#8 - Mon May 31, 2010 9:25 PM EDT
mightyj

Since your a spirit shouldn't you be able to just float along until the (V?) set up their healing centers? JJ

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#8.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 9:31 PM EDT
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A radicial idea

Leading causes of daeth in hospitials:

1). Heart disease

2). Cancer

3). Doctor-induced or iatrogenic . Iatrogenic disease is defined as disease induced in a patient by a doctor's activity, manner or therapy; in short, it is a complication of treatment.

The statistics given are 250,000 deaths per year broken down as follows: ¨ 12,000 die from unnecessary surgeries ¨ 7,000 die from drug errors made in hospitals ¨ 20,000 die from other hospital errors ¨ 80,000 die from infections obtained while in hospital ¨ 106,000 die not from errors but from negative effects of drugs

In a recent report by the World Health Organization, the US ranks 12th out of 13 countries in 16 key health indicators. Hopefully, these facts will serve as a wake up call to doctors and patients alike. The message is clear: the modern medical paradigm is a flat out failure.

Source material:
John Hopkins University School of Hygiene and Public Health, was a follow up to a study by the Institute of Medicine published in November 1999
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The facts are so clear and the danger so real that I feel it is a truth that everyone should be aware of. Everyone who takes a drug, whether by prescription or over the counter, everyone who is scheduled for an invasive test, and everyone who is admitted to hospital should be informed much more fully of the potentially lethal dangers facing them in the form of doctor-induced disease.

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:52 PM EDT
mightyj

Rad idea- Thank you for those facts. I have really enjoyed your posts here, I am glad to have been able to read your story. If you ask me you have radical facts and good ideas. I am gratefull. JJ

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#9.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 11:01 PM EDT
A radicial idea

*HUGS*

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#9.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 11:13 PM EDT
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rabblerabble

That story mad me so sad! Why did she have to die like that? Will her parents never know what happened to their little girl? It just doesn't seem fair.

  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 2:02 AM EDT
A radicial idea

Sadly in healthcare you only hear a fraction of these types of stories. The rest are covered up. Swept under rug, nurses are fired, and the problem moves somewhere else. Doctors have their hospital privileges revoked. They move to another city or state and they are free to screw up again. Every nurse who has worked five years in the profession has a story like this. The sad thing is most of the time it is never acted on so echoing my earlier post when it comes to healthcare question everything everybody and everything that is done to you and yours.

  • 4 votes
#10.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 2:34 AM EDT
mightyj

Rabblex2- The world is not kind to whistleblowers. When you are in a room full of people that want a problem to go away and you are the only one that is willing to tell the truth they will turn on you. That said, lot's of people stand up and tell the truth every day and many get fired, pilloried or blamed. They find it hard to get work because they are known as a whistleblower. This article may be the only time the truth about the last hour of a little girl's life is ever told. I wish it was written by someone better than me, you won't see anything like this in reader's digest. JJ

  • 4 votes
#10.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:54 AM EDT
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Lisafrequency

What really blows my mind is that I have known about the medical errors problem for over 20 years. Why doesn't everyone eles know this? The 3rd leading cause of death is the medical system. There should be protesters out side of every state ran hospital in the country so at least everyone going would be informed.

  • 2 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:40 AM EDT
mightyj

Lisafrequency- I am tuned in to that. I couldn't agree more. We should at least not allow them to say this is the best we can do. Too many are dying in the name of profit, lack of nurses, overworked staff, and the many other wonderfull things that come with such a focus on the bottom line. Quality of care actually has very little to do with amount charged in our medical industry. That is a fact I still can't understand. Industry proponents say that the system is so wonderfull because it is being run on free market principles but the customers often don't have any choice at all. If quality of care isn't the basis of price then what is? Supply and demand? Who gets to decide demand, not us? JJ

  • 4 votes
#11.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:05 AM EDT
A radicial idea

The practice of medicine is the art of lifting money from your pocket as quickly and cheaply as possible. With my first job in nursing I worked in a specialty hospital. I had a girlfriend in the billing department. She was finishing off some work while I was in her office. I was looking at a bill for two Tylenol (generic). The price was 13.00 for the dose. I thought the price was a little high so I ask the director of the hospital why the high price being the inquisitive young lad I was. I was told that the price reflected the training and expertise of those giving the med but I was only making 7.75 at the time and the one dose of this one med would have paid my salary for almost two hours. The facility gave thousands of doses of meds per day. Hum where did all the money end up???

I left this hospital about a year and half later and went to the ER where I made my living. A good 60-70 percent of fees collected go to profit. The health care industry is only eclipsed by oil and insurance industries and if you do a little research you will find that insurance companies are major share holders along with pharmaceuticals.

For your consideration I have come across a ranking of healthcare system in the member nations of the United Nation

1 France

2 Italy

3 San Marino

4 Andorra

5 Malta

6 Singapore

7 Spain

8 Oman

9 Austria

10 Japan

11 Norway

12 Portugal

13 Monaco

14 Greece

15 Iceland

16 Luxembourg

17 Netherlands

18 United Kingdom

19 Ireland

20 Switzerland

21 Belgium

22 Colombia

23 Sweden

24 Cyprus

25 Germany

26 Saudi Arabia

27 United Arab Emirates

28 Israel

29 Morocco

30 Canada

31 Finland

32 Australia

33 Chile

34 Denmark

35 Dominica

36 Costa Rica

37 United States of America

38 Slovenia

39 Cuba

40 Brunei

41 New Zealand

42 Bahrain

43 Croatia

44 Qatar

45 Kuwait

46 Barbados

47 Thailand

48 Czech Republic

49 Malaysia

50 Poland

51 Dominican Republic

52 Tunisia

53 Jamaica

54 Venezuela

55 Albania

56 Seychelles

57 Paraguay

58 South Korea

59 Senegal

60 Philippines

61 Mexico

62 Slovakia

63 Egypt

64 Kazakhstan

65 Uruguay

66 Hungary

67 Trinidad and Tobago

68 Saint Lucia

69 Belize

70 Turkey

71 Nicaragua

72 Belarus

73 Lithuania

74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

75 Argentina

76 Sri Lanka

77 Estonia

78 Guatemala

79 Ukraine

80 Solomon Islands

81 Algeria

82 Palau

83 Jordan

84 Mauritius

85 Grenada

86 Antigua and Barbuda

87 Libya

88 Bangladesh

89 Macedonia

90 Bosnia-Herzegovina

91 Lebanon

92 Indonesia

93 Iran

94 Bahamas

95 Panama

96 Fiji

97 Benin

98 Nauru

99 Romania

100 Saint Kitts and Nevis

101 Moldova

102 Bulgaria

103 Iraq

104 Armenia

105 Latvia

106 Yugoslavia

107 Cook Islands

108 Syria

109 Azerbaijan

110 Suriname

111 Ecuador

112 India

113 Cape Verde

114 Georgia

115 El Salvador

116 Tonga

117 Uzbekistan

118 Comoros

119 Samoa

120 Yemen

121 Niue

122 Pakistan

123 Micronesia

124 Bhutan

125 Brazil

126 Bolivia

127 Vanuatu

128 Guyana

129 Peru

130 Russia

131 Honduras

132 Burkina Faso

133 Sao Tome and Principe

134 Sudan

135 Ghana

136 Tuvalu

137 Ivory Coast

138 Haiti

139 Gabon

140 Kenya

141 Marshall Islands

142 Kiribati

143 Burundi

144 China

145 Mongolia

146 Gambia

147 Maldives

148 Papua New Guinea

149 Uganda

150 Nepal

151 Kyrgystan

152 Togo

153 Turkmenistan

154 Tajikistan

155 Zimbabwe

156 Tanzania

157 Djibouti

158 Eritrea

159 Madagascar

160 Vietnam

161 Guinea

162 Mauritania

163 Mali

164 Cameroon

165 Laos

166 Congo

167 North Korea

168 Namibia

169 Botswana

170 Niger

171 Equatorial Guinea

172 Rwanda

173 Afghanistan

174 Cambodia

175 South Africa

176 Guinea-Bissau

177 Swaziland

178 Chad

179 Somalia

180 Ethiopia

181 Angola

182 Zambia

183 Lesotho

184 Mozambique

185 Malawi

186 Liberia

187 Nigeria

188 Democratic Republic of the Congo

189 Central African Republic

190 Myanmar

Source Material:

The findings are published today, 21 June, in The World Health Report 2000 – Health systems: Improving performance.

We are listed at number 37 and we have the best health care in the world? No we have the most expensive health care in the world.

I can't get any more recent rankings as the World Health organization no longer does them due to political pressure from the United States. I wonder why???

  • 3 votes
#11.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 7:04 AM EDT
mightyj

Rad idea- We sure whipped Yanmar, Yemen and pretty much all of the y countries, it's a good thing yugoslavia broke up or we might not get that distinction. So basically we're being fleeced.

  • 3 votes
#11.3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 7:16 AM EDT
A radicial idea

The goal of capitalism is to introduce a product, obtain as much of the market as possible, then charge as much as you can, while delivering services as cheaply as possible. Is it not a wonder healthcare is so messed up. In my opinion healthcare will decline until we have a single payer governmental system pretty much like the 36 countries above us.

  • 2 votes
#11.4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 7:26 AM EDT
mightyj

I was a big supporter of the public option as an insurance of last resort. I never could understand why nobody wanted it, through my taxes I am probably paying medicare for 2 or 3 families. The insurance companies don't want to do business with families like mine w/pre-existing conditions anyway. So I can buy something for other people but not myself or my family because there might be the potential of ringing an extra dollar out of me somewhere else. Rightwingers made it sound like it was only super socialists that wanted it but I think a lot of the independant majority wanted it, just not the insurance companies and therfore the majority of paid partisan politicians (both sides, the dems didn't really push like they wanted it). JJ

  • 3 votes
#11.5 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
Remote Viewer

11.4 - In my opinion healthcare will decline until we have a single payer governmental system pretty much like the 36 countries above us.

You've cut to the chase, rad idea - health care and profit are a toxic and too often lethal combination. This country is nowhere near ready to adopt single-payer, given the present level of ignorance and corporate propaganda. But if Medicare were opened up to everyone as an alternative to for-profit insurance companies, it would certainly be the beginning of the end for those vile parasites. There's no way they can compete with a non-profit system, and they know it; that's why they fight it tooth and nail. Kudos to Alan Grayson, one of my Congressional heroes, for introducing the Medicare You Can Buy Into Bill.

  • 4 votes
#11.6 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 8:09 AM EDT
mightyj

RV- Is that going to be your next article? Because if it is I want to read it and find out about it. I love your "Fix us up with Aricept" article excellent. JJ

  • 4 votes
#11.7 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 8:17 AM EDT
Remote Viewer

Hey, thank you kindly, JJ! At the moment I'm not sure what I'll publish next, but health care is such a fertile ground, one could go on forever. In fact, I feel as if I have been going on forever, and I suspect those closest to me feel that way too. But they humor me.

  • 3 votes
#11.8 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 8:23 AM EDT
VisionCoast

A radical idea:

The goal of capitalism is to introduce a product, obtain as much of the market as possible, then charge as much as you can, while delivering services as cheaply as possible.

In a nutshell. And it seems it should be clear that life and health shouldn't be subjected to the for-profit strategy. But there are many opponents out there.

  • 3 votes
#11.9 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 12:16 PM EDT
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Lisafrequency

I am for anything that mighttake out insurance companies I think they are the main reason health care is so bad and expensive.

  • 4 votes
Reply#13 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 9:07 AM EDT
Remote Viewer

#12 - I think they [insurance companies] are the main reason health care is so bad and expensive.

Agreed, they're a huge chunk of the problem - but IMO the insurers are parasites on a system that is already fundamentally corrupt. Accept a friend request?

  • 5 votes
#13.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 9:43 AM EDT
Lisafrequency

accepted!!!

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#13.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 7:11 PM EDT
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Abresh

Profit motive is the main reason why our medical system has so many problems. It's all about 'HURRY, HURRY, HURRY, get the poor saps well and get them out of the hospital!" instead of making sure that someone is recovered enough to actually go home!

  • 3 votes
Reply#14 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:48 PM EDT
Remote Viewer

#13 - (1) HURRY, HURRY, HURRY, (2) get the poor saps well and (3) get them out of the hospital!

Step (2) gets skipped more often than not, or else the definition of "well" has become a lot looser in recent years. The sad truth is that there's no profit in that second step.

  • 3 votes
#14.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:55 PM EDT
mightyj

Abresh- So like BP, Big Pharma may not actually be our Best Phriend. JJ

  • 3 votes
#14.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 5:57 PM EDT
VisionCoast

Abresh, a valid example of what you describe is rushing new mothers and their newborns out of the hospital in 24 hours. There are several good reasons to go back to the 3-day hospitalization, jaundice being just one of them.

  • 3 votes
#14.3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 6:11 PM EDT
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tdk022755

I am a nurse of 32 year and I am in charge of a 32 bed med surg unit. Thing like this do not happen on my watch. First of all, I don't take no for an answer from ANY doctor, no way no how. I am there with the patient and I can see them. You are on the golf course. I will keep calling you over and over until you do something. Second, the nurses on my floor know that I will go to any lengths to do what ever is necessary to get what I need for a patient. Third, if I can't get a doctor we call a rapid response. This is not a code. This is simply a call out for the critical care staff and the ED physician to come to the floor to assist us. Anyone on the team, even a family member can call a rapid response if worried about a patient. I DO NOT take no for an answer and I will push the issue as long as I have to even if I have to call the chief of staff at home. Nurses have to get out of the mode of being passive agressive and take a stand. I am there for the health and safety of the patient and that is my only job. The doctors issues are not my problem and I will take any of them to task to get what I need.

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Reply#15 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 5:13 AM EDT
tdk022755

This post is vague as we do not know what the illness was that the child was being treated for, what type of area they were in (general pediatrics, ICU etc) or what medication is at issue. It states that the patient had a reaction to this medication before. If so, why was this medication not discontimued? Why did the nurse administer the same medication again? If it is a medication that is absolutely necessary and you know the patient may have a negative reaction then the patient should be moved to a critical care area for more intense monitoring. When this child started taking a turn for the worse, did the nurse notifiy the charge nurse or the supervisor to assist her/ him? Nurses are responsible for their own practice. I don't care what a doctor orders, nurses are responsible for using their nursing judgment in regard to administration of that medication and if there is a problem, the medication should be held. Often physicians write speciic parameters on when to hold certain medications but if they don't, nurses are responsible for knowing the medications they are administering and for holding those meds when factors warrent their being held. They can then call the doctor to clarify. This is expected nursing judgment and we are taught this in school. However, nurses are still intimidated by doctors (for some reason) and will not stand up to them. This places every patients in jeopardy because if you are a patient and someting is going wrong with you and your nurse is afraid to call your doctor, you are screwed. Some doctors are nasty and mean and hard to contact. So you get your charge nurse or supervisor to help you. Doctors are not gods. I spend a good part of my day every day trying to read poor handwriting and calling them to correct the orders that they write incorrectly. It is my job to catch these things so that what is done for the patient is done right. We should all be working as a team.

I hope that the nurses, physician, charge nurse etc where able to sit down and review this situation to see how they could have prevented this situation.

I hope the hospital got their checkbook out.

  • 3 votes
Reply#16 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 5:32 AM EDT
Lisafrequency

tdk-

I am glad that you take such good care. Experience helps you stand up to these doctors I think. Most hospitals have so much policy that have nothing to do with the patient and everything to do with profit that an inexperienced nurse may have difficulty navigating and standing up to primadonna doctors. The patient should always come first but, face it in many cases they do not.

  • 2 votes
Reply#17 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 6:15 AM EDT
tdk022755

And I agree with someone who posted above... who is getting an hour lunch break? We are lucky to get 15 minutes. Also we have a 4:1 or 5:1 patient ratio. When your nurse to patient ratio goes up your patient safety goes down. And any nurse having to cover 12 patients for an hour is not going to have time to keep up with those patients I guarantee it. The nurses on my unit usually do not go off unit for break. They get their food and eat in our lounge area so that they are still available if a crisis occurs. Health care is not like other jobs. You can't just sit back. We have the lives of people to worry about and sometimes the smallest thing can harm a person. You have to be on your game at all times. If you can't do it, then it is time to get into another profession. Any person in health care who does direct patient care and tells me they have an easy job makes me very suspect of how well they are doing that job.

  • 1 vote
Reply#18 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 7:46 AM EDT
mightyj

tdk-

Thank you for writing all that you did above. You are passionate about your work, I admire and respect your diligence and hardwork. This story bothered you, it should, knowing it bothers me. I guess some things you find out about are like that, not all stories have a happy ending, not everybody in a profession takes their work as seriously as you do. This story was necessarily vague, no names or specific case details will be given, no drug information is available. The source of this story was written out of the patients records as if she was never there.

She only received that one little patient from the nurse that went to lunch. The story of the rest of her patients care during the extraordinary break she took is not available. I want to believe they were handed off to other nurses so that nobody's patient load was to high but it's only a supposition. The nurse in this story was appalled by the fact that the nurse on lunch took almost an hour to get back, why that occured exactly is another detail I can't get, but it was not normal for anywhere.

The little girl's death came as a surprise to all concerned, the fact that she did not belong in general pediatrics and should have been in an intensive treatment unit was a matter of debate right up until the moment she died. The staff that denied transfer requests and requests for assistance and more urgent care and the ward staff that knew the specific details covered this up as soon as it occured. Everybody decided to keep their careers intact and not say anything. This story should have been told by them. Sadly I am the only person willing to tell it and if I have not done a good job I am truly sorry, not to you, but to the little girl.

Thank you for pointing out details that needed to be clarified, I appreciate that. Please know that I have related this to the best of my ability, and that I am dying to tell you what hospital this occured at, but cannot. I admire all the hard working nurses of the world and if you want to know how I feel. Please read what I wrote in my memorial day story it was written the same day as this and features a statue of nurses in the field with our soldiers at the vietnam veteran women's memorial. JJ

  • 3 votes
#18.1 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 9:41 AM EDT
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